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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a quote from Peter Palese from Mount Sinai School of Medicine: &quot;If this virus keeps going through the summer, I would be very concerned.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a quote from Peter Palese from Mount Sinai School of Medicine: &#8220;If this virus keeps going through the summer, I would be very concerned.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Caduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo Caduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, it has not even been proved that this strain is actually circulating in swine today. It&#039;s just that some (but not all) genetic sequences are very similar to sequences currently found in swine flu viruses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, it has not even been proved that this strain is actually circulating in swine today. It&#8217;s just that some (but not all) genetic sequences are very similar to sequences currently found in swine flu viruses.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Caduff</title>
		<link>http://72.10.34.174/vss/2009/04/what-is-nycdhmh-actually-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-38786</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo Caduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the banning of pork is totally meaningless from a scientific point of view. There are now efforts to re-name &quot;swine flu.&quot; Some now call it the &quot;Mexican flu,&quot; others the &quot;North-American flu,&quot; and - beyond the emerging geography of blame - and definitely my favourite: the &quot;new flu!&quot; 

The closing of schools in the case of a pandemic has been discussed extensively in the public health community in the past few years. It&#039;s a very disruptive kind of intervention. Not many working parents can look after their kids over several weeks. Also, a lot of these kids are getting their daily meals in their schools. So that creates a whole range of new problems. As long as we don&#039;t see a lot of people dying in the US, I don&#039;t think the experts are going to recommend the closing of schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the banning of pork is totally meaningless from a scientific point of view. There are now efforts to re-name &#8220;swine flu.&#8221; Some now call it the &#8220;Mexican flu,&#8221; others the &#8220;North-American flu,&#8221; and &#8211; beyond the emerging geography of blame &#8211; and definitely my favourite: the &#8220;new flu!&#8221; </p>
<p>The closing of schools in the case of a pandemic has been discussed extensively in the public health community in the past few years. It&#8217;s a very disruptive kind of intervention. Not many working parents can look after their kids over several weeks. Also, a lot of these kids are getting their daily meals in their schools. So that creates a whole range of new problems. As long as we don&#8217;t see a lot of people dying in the US, I don&#8217;t think the experts are going to recommend the closing of schools.</p>
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		<title>By: scollier</title>
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		<dc:creator>scollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlo -- The issue you point to about the bad fit with the stages indicated in the classificatory system is exactly the problem I had in mind. It is obvious that we are stage 5, and yet health authorities do not yet want to do what is implied by stage 5.

I am also very interested in the other issue you hint at: much of what is being done is meaningless, and the things that could really make a difference are not being done. The New York Times ran a story today which reports that ten countries have now banned pork imports from affected countries, despite the fact that WHO and CDC say that it is impossible for the virus to be transmitted to someone consuming pork. I suppose it simply must just be politics. And good for the domestic pork industry.

On the other hand -- back to my old example -- they aren&#039;t closing schools in New York. This seems to me like a basic precautionary measure, though I guess it is potentially very disruptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlo &#8212; The issue you point to about the bad fit with the stages indicated in the classificatory system is exactly the problem I had in mind. It is obvious that we are stage 5, and yet health authorities do not yet want to do what is implied by stage 5.</p>
<p>I am also very interested in the other issue you hint at: much of what is being done is meaningless, and the things that could really make a difference are not being done. The New York Times ran a story today which reports that ten countries have now banned pork imports from affected countries, despite the fact that WHO and CDC say that it is impossible for the virus to be transmitted to someone consuming pork. I suppose it simply must just be politics. And good for the domestic pork industry.</p>
<p>On the other hand &#8212; back to my old example &#8212; they aren&#8217;t closing schools in New York. This seems to me like a basic precautionary measure, though I guess it is potentially very disruptive.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Caduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo Caduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one more thing. Every single year, 36 000 people die in the United States due to regular seasonal flu. That&#039;s considered normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one more thing. Every single year, 36 000 people die in the United States due to regular seasonal flu. That&#8217;s considered normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Caduff</title>
		<link>http://72.10.34.174/vss/2009/04/what-is-nycdhmh-actually-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-38779</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo Caduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theresa and Dale, thanks, this is very helpful. I have a question regarding the CDC. Obviously, it is a complex institution with a complex power structure and I was wondering if there have been some tensions between the health/influenza people, i.e. Cox and her team and the security/preparedness people. 

One of the problems lies with the WHO alert scheme. On the basis of the definitions of the different phases, we are clearly in phase 5. However, given the relative slow but steady spread of a relatively mild disease, the type of interventions prescribed by phase 5 seem over the top. So there is a problem here, which is an effect of anticipatory planning itself. 

Finally, there is not much you can do anyway, except producing a protective vaccine, caring for the sick, and trying to avoid contact with other people. The rest is largely and almost entirely political. 

As you know, the impact of currently available forms of intervention on the pathological effects of regular seasonal influenza are very limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theresa and Dale, thanks, this is very helpful. I have a question regarding the CDC. Obviously, it is a complex institution with a complex power structure and I was wondering if there have been some tensions between the health/influenza people, i.e. Cox and her team and the security/preparedness people. </p>
<p>One of the problems lies with the WHO alert scheme. On the basis of the definitions of the different phases, we are clearly in phase 5. However, given the relative slow but steady spread of a relatively mild disease, the type of interventions prescribed by phase 5 seem over the top. So there is a problem here, which is an effect of anticipatory planning itself. </p>
<p>Finally, there is not much you can do anyway, except producing a protective vaccine, caring for the sick, and trying to avoid contact with other people. The rest is largely and almost entirely political. </p>
<p>As you know, the impact of currently available forms of intervention on the pathological effects of regular seasonal influenza are very limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale A. Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale A. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Directly correlated to the CFR, is my understanding, which in the US is presumably zero as of today.  Developed and published as part of interim community mitigation guidance for pre-pandemic stage.  CDC acknowledged the challenge associated with prior categorization schemes, including PSI, for present circumstances, in updated guidance released today.  See: http://cdc.gov/swineflu/mitigation.htm for relevant para as well as specific recommendations for communities with a lab-confirmed case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Directly correlated to the CFR, is my understanding, which in the US is presumably zero as of today.  Developed and published as part of interim community mitigation guidance for pre-pandemic stage.  CDC acknowledged the challenge associated with prior categorization schemes, including PSI, for present circumstances, in updated guidance released today.  See: <a href="http://cdc.gov/swineflu/mitigation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cdc.gov/swineflu/mitigation.htm</a> for relevant para as well as specific recommendations for communities with a lab-confirmed case.</p>
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		<title>By: alakoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>alakoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale - thanks, this is extremely helpful.  A question:  do you have any idea how PSI is being evaluated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale &#8211; thanks, this is extremely helpful.  A question:  do you have any idea how PSI is being evaluated?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale A. Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale A. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outbreaks are currently focal in the US, meaning largely localized by geography, e.g., five states for two days now.  Moreover, &quot;community&quot; spread of illness is largely proscribed - although this can certainly change on a dime.  Therefore, mitigation measures are being implemented in a tiered manner according to the level of &quot;involvement&quot; of a given state. Should Idaho close its schools because of what&#039;s happening in NYC? Which NYC public schools should close? All of them?  Affected ones? Adjacent cities or states?

The CDC is issuing massive amounts of interim guidance to states (and communities, and vulnerable populations, and occupational groups, and... etc etc) on the basis of what it knows *now* and what it can reasonably predict *now.*  It can, apparently, reasonably predict deaths from this, just as it can for any seasonal flu (so why has that become so remarkable in this context?).  But if the CFR is exceedingly low - i.e., virulence is mild - then what additional aggressive measures would one suggest?  I&#039;d say releasing one quarter of the SNS seems like it is an attempt to align itself to known information, including info about severity, today.  Where should the other three-quarters go?  On top of all this: Public health has a perennial problem with risk communication, insofar as messaging can sound either trite or overblown.  Because of the uneven spread of illness, coupled with - at the moment - a fairly low PSI score, it is therefore a tricky proposition to communicate targeted behavior modification or policy prescription messages to specific locales or jurisdictions.  Other jurisdictions might just do the same thing needlessly.  Thus the seemingly odd balance between universal precautionary measures for individuals (shown to reduce community transmission) and judicious messaging in other respects.

On the question of what public health folks are doing, everyone here has really answered the question already. I&#039;ll just say that, at the very least, this is what&#039;s going on: (1) Increased epi and contact tracing as appropriate; (2) extensive active surveillance throughout the healthcare system; (3) laboratory ramp up; (4) receipt of SNS stockpiles; (5) planning for mass meds distribution; (6) regional, state, federal collaboration/planning, conference calls, etc.

As everything here is all my personal opinion, I&#039;ll just take this moment to say I&#039;m glad the US now has a Secretary of Health and Human Services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outbreaks are currently focal in the US, meaning largely localized by geography, e.g., five states for two days now.  Moreover, &#8220;community&#8221; spread of illness is largely proscribed &#8211; although this can certainly change on a dime.  Therefore, mitigation measures are being implemented in a tiered manner according to the level of &#8220;involvement&#8221; of a given state. Should Idaho close its schools because of what&#8217;s happening in NYC? Which NYC public schools should close? All of them?  Affected ones? Adjacent cities or states?</p>
<p>The CDC is issuing massive amounts of interim guidance to states (and communities, and vulnerable populations, and occupational groups, and&#8230; etc etc) on the basis of what it knows *now* and what it can reasonably predict *now.*  It can, apparently, reasonably predict deaths from this, just as it can for any seasonal flu (so why has that become so remarkable in this context?).  But if the CFR is exceedingly low &#8211; i.e., virulence is mild &#8211; then what additional aggressive measures would one suggest?  I&#8217;d say releasing one quarter of the SNS seems like it is an attempt to align itself to known information, including info about severity, today.  Where should the other three-quarters go?  On top of all this: Public health has a perennial problem with risk communication, insofar as messaging can sound either trite or overblown.  Because of the uneven spread of illness, coupled with &#8211; at the moment &#8211; a fairly low PSI score, it is therefore a tricky proposition to communicate targeted behavior modification or policy prescription messages to specific locales or jurisdictions.  Other jurisdictions might just do the same thing needlessly.  Thus the seemingly odd balance between universal precautionary measures for individuals (shown to reduce community transmission) and judicious messaging in other respects.</p>
<p>On the question of what public health folks are doing, everyone here has really answered the question already. I&#8217;ll just say that, at the very least, this is what&#8217;s going on: (1) Increased epi and contact tracing as appropriate; (2) extensive active surveillance throughout the healthcare system; (3) laboratory ramp up; (4) receipt of SNS stockpiles; (5) planning for mass meds distribution; (6) regional, state, federal collaboration/planning, conference calls, etc.</p>
<p>As everything here is all my personal opinion, I&#8217;ll just take this moment to say I&#8217;m glad the US now has a Secretary of Health and Human Services.</p>
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		<title>By: mstalcup</title>
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		<dc:creator>mstalcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Schwarzenegger declared that California is now in a a state of emergency (http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/12149). In relation to Stephen&#039;s question- what are public health officials actually spending their time doing? - although not really answering it, the release states that the government of California has been &quot;deploying public health experts across the state, increasing surveillance of patients with flu-like illness and activating the joint emergency operations center and health alert network.&quot; Today&#039;s proclamation is basically intended to make it possible to give flu-related activities priority. Given the reality of finite resources, that does seem significant. Personnel, equipment and facilities will go to this, instead of something else. 

&quot;This proclamation cuts government red tape by:

*  Ordering all state agencies and departments to utilize and employ state personnel, equipment and facilities to assist the Department of Public Health (DPH) and the State Emergency Plan as coordinated by the California Emergency Management Agency

* Ordering DPH and the Emergency Medical Services Authority to enter into any and all necessary contracts for providing services, materials, personnel and equipment to supplement extraordinary preventive measures being taken across the state

* Suspending non-competitive bid contracts for services, material, personnel and equipment needed to respond to this outbreak

* Waiving select certification requirements for public health laboratories to help in the stateâ€™s expansion of our testing capabilities&quot;

On to what the public is urged to do:

&quot;*Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.
* Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective.
* Try to avoid close contact with sick people.  
* If you get sick with flu, it is recommended that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way.&quot;

So on the level of the individual, not &quot;an abundance of caution&quot; but the advice to take basic precautions, for a cold or flu. On the level of the state, yes, maybe. Actions have been authorized, for when they need to be taken. There&#039;s also something interesting in the &quot;waiving select certification requirements for public health laboratories to help in the stateâ€™s expansion of our testing capabilities&quot;. California can now confirm swine flu without the CDC. One, it is an act of faith in the state&#039;s public health laboratories. Two, does it signal a lack of faith in the federal response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Schwarzenegger declared that California is now in a a state of emergency (<a href="http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/12149" rel="nofollow">http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/12149</a>). In relation to Stephen&#8217;s question- what are public health officials actually spending their time doing? &#8211; although not really answering it, the release states that the government of California has been &#8220;deploying public health experts across the state, increasing surveillance of patients with flu-like illness and activating the joint emergency operations center and health alert network.&#8221; Today&#8217;s proclamation is basically intended to make it possible to give flu-related activities priority. Given the reality of finite resources, that does seem significant. Personnel, equipment and facilities will go to this, instead of something else. </p>
<p>&#8220;This proclamation cuts government red tape by:</p>
<p>*  Ordering all state agencies and departments to utilize and employ state personnel, equipment and facilities to assist the Department of Public Health (DPH) and the State Emergency Plan as coordinated by the California Emergency Management Agency</p>
<p>* Ordering DPH and the Emergency Medical Services Authority to enter into any and all necessary contracts for providing services, materials, personnel and equipment to supplement extraordinary preventive measures being taken across the state</p>
<p>* Suspending non-competitive bid contracts for services, material, personnel and equipment needed to respond to this outbreak</p>
<p>* Waiving select certification requirements for public health laboratories to help in the stateâ€™s expansion of our testing capabilities&#8221;</p>
<p>On to what the public is urged to do:</p>
<p>&#8220;*Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.<br />
* Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective.<br />
* Try to avoid close contact with sick people.<br />
* If you get sick with flu, it is recommended that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>So on the level of the individual, not &#8220;an abundance of caution&#8221; but the advice to take basic precautions, for a cold or flu. On the level of the state, yes, maybe. Actions have been authorized, for when they need to be taken. There&#8217;s also something interesting in the &#8220;waiving select certification requirements for public health laboratories to help in the stateâ€™s expansion of our testing capabilities&#8221;. California can now confirm swine flu without the CDC. One, it is an act of faith in the state&#8217;s public health laboratories. Two, does it signal a lack of faith in the federal response?</p>
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