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	<title>Comments on: Collier and Lakoff on Critical Infrastructure Protection</title>
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		<title>By: Biopower and the Contemporary &#187; What is a problematization?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biopower and the Contemporary &#187; What is a problematization?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by comments Colin and Limor have made over on the VSS blog I wanted to propose for explicit discussion (again) the question: what is a problematization? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Colin&#039;s questions are both right on the mark.

On the first: We have been going back and forth about whether &quot;problematization&quot; refers just the breakdown of an existing way of understanding, thinking, acting, or includes the idea of a new (or many new) ways of understanding, thinking, acting that constitute a situation as problematic in a new way. I tend toward agreement with the notion that it includes both elements. Thus, a &quot;problematization&quot; includes new &quot;styles of reasoning&quot; and forms of sanctioned expertise that can constitute a problem as a problem. But I think there may be some details on this question on which we do not have unanimity.

On the second, I think that this is the issue we have been identifying as the &quot;significance&quot; question -- How is it that the anthropologist of the contemporary knows that a certain set of expert practices, and responses to new problems is interesting, and worth investigating? It seems to me an empirical question about whether they are &quot;self-conscious&quot; as Colin says. I see this as less a &quot;theoretical&quot; problem and more a practical problem: How does one identify significance? When is a problematization worth studying? We have written some on these issues, but always agree that more reflection would be a good idea....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Colin&#8217;s questions are both right on the mark.</p>
<p>On the first: We have been going back and forth about whether &#8220;problematization&#8221; refers just the breakdown of an existing way of understanding, thinking, acting, or includes the idea of a new (or many new) ways of understanding, thinking, acting that constitute a situation as problematic in a new way. I tend toward agreement with the notion that it includes both elements. Thus, a &#8220;problematization&#8221; includes new &#8220;styles of reasoning&#8221; and forms of sanctioned expertise that can constitute a problem as a problem. But I think there may be some details on this question on which we do not have unanimity.</p>
<p>On the second, I think that this is the issue we have been identifying as the &#8220;significance&#8221; question &#8212; How is it that the anthropologist of the contemporary knows that a certain set of expert practices, and responses to new problems is interesting, and worth investigating? It seems to me an empirical question about whether they are &#8220;self-conscious&#8221; as Colin says. I see this as less a &#8220;theoretical&#8221; problem and more a practical problem: How does one identify significance? When is a problematization worth studying? We have written some on these issues, but always agree that more reflection would be a good idea&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Koopman</title>
		<link>http://72.10.34.174/vss/2007/03/collier-and-lakoff-on-critical-infrastructure-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-2919</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Koopman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall a very impressive paper.  Again, I am coming to this late, but I&#039;ll chime in with a few thoughts in any event.  I won&#039;t say much about how much I learned from this paper (mostly in terms of methodological approach), but rather just leave a question.

My question concerns this claim, which I&#039;m not sure does adequate service to the genealogy traced in the rest of the paper: &quot;technological and political developments rendered prior security frameworks inadequate, and forced experts to invent new ways of identifying and intervening in security threats&quot; (p.2).

The claim seems to be that &#039;something happened&#039; and this &#039;something&#039; simply forced people to develop expertise around new topics.  But what is the &#039;something&#039; and where did it come from?  Did these tech/pol developments force experts to respond to &#039;vital security&#039; matters?   Or did the experts seal their status as experts by, at least in part. formulating vital security as a problem?  This doesn&#039;t mean that the problem is &lt;i&gt;simply&lt;/i&gt; constructed but neither is it &lt;i&gt;simply&lt;/i&gt; real.  For what I can gather you want to articulate a view somewhere between constructed and real or rather a view that encompasses both of these.

The experts help shape the problems which then in turn further propel the experts.  Problems and their solutions are reciprocal, such that you simply cannot have one without the other.  Fields or problematization are thus &lt;i&gt;practices&lt;/i&gt; which are, we might say, real constructions or constructed realities.  Is that fair?  Is there a better way to put it given your aims here?

I want to note of course that this isn&#039;t a mistake that plagues the whole paper, though I would say there is a recurring ambiguity about this point.  Only a page later on page 3 the paper is much clearer that &#039;problems&#039; do not simply come onto the scene to force the hands of the experts.  Still, I think that the point is worth clarifying on page 2.  I think it&#039;s worth clarifying, mostly, because the approach the paper adopts is more subtle than the misleading formulation on page 2 would suggest.  But, then again, maybe I&#039;ve misunderstood the aims of the paper?

I&#039;d also like to a pose a question which may or may not be well put: A further important question for me concerns the work of the genealogist or anthropologist or whoever in providing a sufficient specification of &#039;the field of problematization&#039; (i.e., &#039;the problem/expert hybrid&#039;).  The expert and the problem might produce one another, but is it also fair to say that this hybrid doesn&#039;t itself become problematized until the fieldworker of whatever type (historian, anthropologist, cultural critic) comes along and is able to specify it in a way that gives it a definitive shape?  Or is that attributing too much to the role of the fieldworker?  Are these problem/expert hybrids sufficiently articulate and self-conscious before fieldworkers/critics come along to give them definite shape vis-a-vis the other intellectual terrain with which these problematizations interact?  Any thoughts that anyone may be willing to risk here would be very welcome because I&#039;m currently very unclear on this question (and I&#039;m also not clear that I need to be so unclear about it because maybe I&#039;m over-theorizing the point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall a very impressive paper.  Again, I am coming to this late, but I&#8217;ll chime in with a few thoughts in any event.  I won&#8217;t say much about how much I learned from this paper (mostly in terms of methodological approach), but rather just leave a question.</p>
<p>My question concerns this claim, which I&#8217;m not sure does adequate service to the genealogy traced in the rest of the paper: &#8220;technological and political developments rendered prior security frameworks inadequate, and forced experts to invent new ways of identifying and intervening in security threats&#8221; (p.2).</p>
<p>The claim seems to be that &#8216;something happened&#8217; and this &#8216;something&#8217; simply forced people to develop expertise around new topics.  But what is the &#8216;something&#8217; and where did it come from?  Did these tech/pol developments force experts to respond to &#8216;vital security&#8217; matters?   Or did the experts seal their status as experts by, at least in part. formulating vital security as a problem?  This doesn&#8217;t mean that the problem is <i>simply</i> constructed but neither is it <i>simply</i> real.  For what I can gather you want to articulate a view somewhere between constructed and real or rather a view that encompasses both of these.</p>
<p>The experts help shape the problems which then in turn further propel the experts.  Problems and their solutions are reciprocal, such that you simply cannot have one without the other.  Fields or problematization are thus <i>practices</i> which are, we might say, real constructions or constructed realities.  Is that fair?  Is there a better way to put it given your aims here?</p>
<p>I want to note of course that this isn&#8217;t a mistake that plagues the whole paper, though I would say there is a recurring ambiguity about this point.  Only a page later on page 3 the paper is much clearer that &#8216;problems&#8217; do not simply come onto the scene to force the hands of the experts.  Still, I think that the point is worth clarifying on page 2.  I think it&#8217;s worth clarifying, mostly, because the approach the paper adopts is more subtle than the misleading formulation on page 2 would suggest.  But, then again, maybe I&#8217;ve misunderstood the aims of the paper?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to a pose a question which may or may not be well put: A further important question for me concerns the work of the genealogist or anthropologist or whoever in providing a sufficient specification of &#8216;the field of problematization&#8217; (i.e., &#8216;the problem/expert hybrid&#8217;).  The expert and the problem might produce one another, but is it also fair to say that this hybrid doesn&#8217;t itself become problematized until the fieldworker of whatever type (historian, anthropologist, cultural critic) comes along and is able to specify it in a way that gives it a definitive shape?  Or is that attributing too much to the role of the fieldworker?  Are these problem/expert hybrids sufficiently articulate and self-conscious before fieldworkers/critics come along to give them definite shape vis-a-vis the other intellectual terrain with which these problematizations interact?  Any thoughts that anyone may be willing to risk here would be very welcome because I&#8217;m currently very unclear on this question (and I&#8217;m also not clear that I need to be so unclear about it because maybe I&#8217;m over-theorizing the point).</p>
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		<title>By: Limor Darash</title>
		<link>http://72.10.34.174/vss/2007/03/collier-and-lakoff-on-critical-infrastructure-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Limor Darash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to question the way you implicate the concept of problematization in your analysis, and maybe to question what is generally the â€œrightâ€ use of it?
In your analysis a critical infrastructure protection is a â€œsolutionâ€ (one possible emerging response) to the new security problem (or to the way in which security is formed differently, re-problematized).
However, I think that in terms of problematization both the interest in critical infrastructures and the â€œreasonâ€ for doing so (the new security perspective) are part of the emerging solution. The form of problematization that we might approach by the observation and analysis of this emerging response is much wider. 
I will elaborate on this by projecting on my case.
In the analysis of the preparedness against biological threats in Israel I observe a pre-event configuration which emerges.
â€œInsideâ€ this configuration there are several possible â€œresponsesâ€ toward the â€œrightâ€ preparedness for these threats. Each response is reasoning from a specific understanding of â€œsecurity problemsâ€. However, in terms of problematization, I think the â€œpossible responseâ€ and the â€œway each element in the configuration is forming the security problem are both part of a possible emerging solution. Now the question is what is the wider problematization that these definitions of the security problem and the way to prepare for it are contingent with.
To my understanding the way something has taken a form of a problem affects the emergence of possible/ diverse/ or even contrast â€œsolutionsâ€. Iâ€™m not sure yet, but this wider space of problematization might deal with the combination of future- uncertainty- and threats in a way that these together are formed as a problem that should be answered. 
In other words, the way the security element defined this problem including its concrete â€œanswerâ€ based on protecting critical infrastructures, is altogether a possible solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to question the way you implicate the concept of problematization in your analysis, and maybe to question what is generally the â€œrightâ€ use of it?<br />
In your analysis a critical infrastructure protection is a â€œsolutionâ€ (one possible emerging response) to the new security problem (or to the way in which security is formed differently, re-problematized).<br />
However, I think that in terms of problematization both the interest in critical infrastructures and the â€œreasonâ€ for doing so (the new security perspective) are part of the emerging solution. The form of problematization that we might approach by the observation and analysis of this emerging response is much wider.<br />
I will elaborate on this by projecting on my case.<br />
In the analysis of the preparedness against biological threats in Israel I observe a pre-event configuration which emerges.<br />
â€œInsideâ€ this configuration there are several possible â€œresponsesâ€ toward the â€œrightâ€ preparedness for these threats. Each response is reasoning from a specific understanding of â€œsecurity problemsâ€. However, in terms of problematization, I think the â€œpossible responseâ€ and the â€œway each element in the configuration is forming the security problem are both part of a possible emerging solution. Now the question is what is the wider problematization that these definitions of the security problem and the way to prepare for it are contingent with.<br />
To my understanding the way something has taken a form of a problem affects the emergence of possible/ diverse/ or even contrast â€œsolutionsâ€. Iâ€™m not sure yet, but this wider space of problematization might deal with the combination of future- uncertainty- and threats in a way that these together are formed as a problem that should be answered.<br />
In other words, the way the security element defined this problem including its concrete â€œanswerâ€ based on protecting critical infrastructures, is altogether a possible solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Biopower and the Contemporary &#187; Biopolitics and Problematization</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biopower and the Contemporary &#187; Biopolitics and Problematization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just posted an article Andy and I wrote on Critical Infrastructure Protection on the Vital Systems Security blog. Among the relevant themes in it for discussions here are a use [...]</description>
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